This is a wide-ranging and very pleasant interview with Best Friend’s Animal Society Pacific Regional Director José Ocaño. We talk about the history and mission of Best Friends, perhaps the least-known of the “big three” US animal charities (with the Humane Society of the United States and the ASPCA). We talk about the ascent of no-kill shelters and how Best Friends plans to reach its goal of a no-kill America in 2025. Listen to the interview and hear how I’ve become a believer. Interesting interview. Good guest. Please listen.